Works great. As long as the electron app is secure than I could care less, and if you don't trust 1Password to keep the electron app secure then you really shouldn't trust them to keep any other app secure either. Thats reasonable logic but for me with a company subscription and previously having been an individual purchaser with my backup in iCloud rather than on 1 pass servers, it doesnt really tilt the balance - I also hate electron with a passion and will be looking to stay on 7 for as long as possible with a high likelihood of shifting to a different provider due to the forced shift to cloud storage after this. If at the end of the day my home server breaks and I want to get on and watch Amazon Prime/Netflix/whatever I still can with a hosted password manager. (three graduates of Clear Creek H.S. But hey, I'm the type of person that considered a Gentoo machine running Fluxbox far more useful than the very polished MacOS. I agree - the UX of the extension isn't that great. Open 1Password 8, then tap Migrate Existing Data and follow the onscreen instructions. Most of the time the software doesn't even need to change, you just need to open up xcode and recompile the project against a new ios sdk and you're done. No, they didn't. the fair alternative is a one time payment for a lifetime license with few patches priced in. Now people will still yell at you, even once you've moved on to other projects, and even more people will do so since they actually pay and assume that it is your obligation. $20/month seems a bit steep if you ask me. Bitwarden run so much faster than 1password despite being a browser extension. Do they have some kind of story of working together? I'd much prefer to pay a bit per month and have a team of professionals deal with it if the servers go down. That comparison would be $2.99 for 1Password. Make sure you have your browser 1Password plugin updated to the latest version. I use 8 on Windows 10 and the Android app. Maybe its irrational, I just dont like being so dependent on a subscription service, and having a local network sync between my devices was just fine. Im glad you find it affordable but these nickle and dime things add up. In contrast, KeePass works with files (much like SQLite) and therefore, if you'd prefer to use SD cards or Samba or NFS or whatever instead of VPSes to somewhat decrease the attack surface, or simply use tools that you know, then you can do that. There are limits to local vaults. That for me, is a game changer. It's electron-based too, Rust is used in a backend lib with FFI: Last I messed with it, Electron is structured such that the UI thread is decoupled from where you're supposed to run your "logic" (for performances reasons, I assumesimilar patterns are really common in GUI systems, in general) and they already have to communicate at arm's length, so 1) it's not that big a stretch to wrap some native library on the "logic" side, and 2) if you're calling back-and-forth between logic and UI a lot, rather than sitting in your logic code for long periods of time, it'd expect it to do very little for performance. Typically $5 a month . Imagine if you had to pay a subscription for using a car because next year a new model will require development and therefore you need to pay for it. It keeps the vendor financially healthy, stable and willing to keep developing the stuff you use. I recently cancelled Evernote after 12 years of paying for it due to their new Electron client. Photoshop from 5 years ago is perfectly fine for me. Is there anything you can speak to there that I should prepare for with 1Password 8? I would like to congratulate the team on the release today. There's a free 14-day trial, and the subscription also gets users 1Password for iOS, Windows,. Click Move Data. Sure, if you longer have a way to use an older version of MacOS. 1Password 8 is rebuilt from the ground up with an all-new design and powerful personalization. It uses a Keepass database also. 1Password 8 for Mac is now in Early Access. I'm not saying it's impossible, just one of the least likely things to happen. While I understand subscriptions can add value, I don't understand the forced model. It's absolutely incredible to me that people ignore one of the biggest sides of the argument for pre-baked, user friendly products like 1Password: usability for as many people as possible. December . I am a 1PW subscription user and am happy with the product (however, seeing they are moving to Electron means that is very subject to change). Multi-device access, browser integration, mobile platform integration, and sharing with spouse or team members. Today I use it on my Mac and my iPhone. I get why some people have prejudice against any Electron app as resource hog - but even if I would ever experience that, I would still wait what this specific app would do a and feel like - I am on the 8 beta on Windows and would never go back to v7. edit: apparently 8 will be electron-based. I use it and pay an annual subscription and have no issues. Your vault is local, and synced to/from the cloud. My point was that Bitwarden handles a good number of people's requirements in their free tier. However, would definitely recommend KeePassXC for desktop. Tap Delete Vault. If you cant tell the difference it doesnt matter and I wouldnt worry about it. Please stop spreading misinformation. I'd be curious to know what you're referring to since I don't really keep an eagle eye on this stuff, I just use their product. 'Breech' of the site and realisation they host their passwords in clear text on an unsecured db online. Sales organizations love to claim "it's what the customer wants", "it's more affordable", among other half-truths - when the reality is it's a much more consistent revenue stream that disconnects customers voting with dollars from continual enhancement of the product such that the customer is incented to upgrade. I purchased a 1Password license years ago. We didn't have a working SwiftUI solution that we could just pick up and use - we had to re-architect the entire frontend from the ground up. I am very unhappy that 1P is moving to Electron for macOS for the reasons people here have reiterated a million times. Rust for the backend of the client apps, React for the UI, wrapped in Electron. same here this is when i switched to bitwarden and haven't looked back! That's something you can't do when the password manager requires the network to do its main function. Ive bought a lot of software and I dont mind paying for good software. A login tax for all eternity sucks. Spotify has exclusive content. Is it that buggy from the get-go to need constant updates? In the real world, plenty of alternatives exist for practically every Electron app out there so if you don't want to use it, you don't have to. Keychain is a great place to start, but 1Password can do so much more. They really didn't give regular users a "choice"- they dark-patterned them into thinking subscriptions were the only option. Safari integration is coming eventually. Face ID unlock for Safari extension is back - I missed you! these are still considered local vaults). For a moment I felt that perhaps I should add clarification about how I'm not trying to dismiss the cloud solutions (as in the notorious Dropbox comment), but instead am attempting to provide one of the many libre setups to answer the parent question, but in the end didn't get around to it. I don't know how I missed this. I dont understand why two teams means slower. > I previously thought that we were just having a difference of risk tolerance, The point I was making is that there are no security advantages to setting up a time-based OTP as a second factor for authentication if the secret seed is going to be stored in the same vault where the passwords are: might as well just forego this TOTP setup altogether and save the extra hassle. Why can we not have an explicit statement about 1Password being a subscription-only service? https://www.zdnet.com/article/new-tool-automates-phishing-at https://com-agilebits-users.s3.amazonaws.com/dave/1password7 https://app-updates.agilebits.com/product_history/OPM7. 1Password 8 for Mac is available to download on the AgileBits website. The 2FA codes are copied in the background, and when the screen comes, ctrl+v does the magic. If 1Password doesnt ask you to move your data, tap Settings > Advanced > Migrate Data to Your Account, then tap your account and tap Move Data. Security on the go has never been this easy. I think that you see open source projects that struggle along all of the time because their developers cannot afford to work on them enough. After youve migrated your data, download and install 1Password 8 to make sure you have the latest version of the app. Been paying $35/year and I'm with you on this one. Log in to sites and fill forms securely with a single click and much more. They demanded support in return for their one payment. I will be looking into alternatives/competitors to see how good they are, if nothing else. Upon installing 1Password 8, the memory usage was more than 400% higher than 1Password 7. . Though, this latest development the move to Electron is a negative for me, so it leaves a part of me wondering what kind of development I have been paying for. So they made their own sync service and hid the version that would do local-only files so that only the dedicated users who really want to do that would find it and use it. I don't know how subscription fixes your problem. If you're comfortable with a snapshot w/o updates, then by all means buy once, but I think coming to terms with the demands of ongoing support also means coming to terms with continuing to support the product in some way. Every time I use an Electron app, I get the distinct feeling that its developers are prioritizing their experience over my own. Brute force attack, Though one more point thats more than just "ease of use" is probably shared access. Things should continue as they have been. That Electron is an unpleasant experience and is a resource pig that makes Java look svelte? Im extremely disappointed to see this turn into yet another sub-native browser-in-a-window experience. Poke around the application bundle or its supporting files directories. Otherwise, people would just use the same, well-known weak passwords for everything, including business critical ones like domain registrar or Gsuite admin or the root AWS account. Except, you didn't need to roll your own. I believe the vast majority of their development effort is going into 1Password X. Im not sure if I would hold my breath for 8. Nothing they've done makes me suspect this. Does it still do that if you click the pop-out button so that Bitwarden has it's own window? Except that they control the client that I'm entering the master password into. You can now enjoy the modern design, improved productivity, and enhanced security & privacy of the all-new 1Password 8," 1Password founder Dave Teare writes in the announcement post. Even better if the Linux desktop gets feature parity and no longer have to rely on the web or browser plugin. As forthcoming / down-to-earth as these posts from the company seem- they are full of spin. At least with Dropbox (iCloud, wifi) sync, I have full control over the local vault file. Im very happy with 1Password been using it for 10 years, and happy to subscribe, considering its probably my most-used utility app. Try 1Password free for 14 days, then keep going with a 1Password subscription. It was up to the user to take care of syncing this local vault file between devices (although they did support iCloud syncing between apple devices natively. I am cognizant of this risk, and assume it, because security is always a spectrum between Secure and Convenient. A more apt comparison is $0 for Bitwarden vs $4.99 for 1Password. Or you could have just kept the existing AppKit version and update it to work with the Rust core?. Yes it is a waste of time, if you want to spend time doing other things in your life. "it works" and "the developer gives me support" are two different things. I have a mixed computing environment and have purchased versions 3, 4, 5, 6 & 7 for three platforms. Saying that "customers voted with their wallet" and chose subscriptions is disingenous, Ever since they've had subscriptions they've made the standalone license page extremely difficult to find on their site. This also works the same way with Touch ID. Hopefully this clears up any confusion. > I'm curious about how you see the attack surface increasing when using 1Password. Thanks for the feedback. I understand the 'why' of electron, I am just not happy with the results at all. What's the main point of Bitwarden or competitors over traditional password managers such as KeePassXC? The password manager that's as beautiful and simple as it is secure. Yes it has been a breeze to switch to it, especially with their native import of Lastpass logins. Does that new "core" prevent you from syncing via iCloud? However, I would need to borrow some extra hands to count the number of features you've removed, features that loyal paying customers of many years depend on. I find KeepassXC substantially easier to use than 1Password on macOS. And beyond. I just got into one of my little ADHD focuses where I really wanted to reply with something long and detailed, so please don't assume I work for them or something and am defending them because of that :). Not sure where the signup link is, sorry. I can absolutely attest to that with a relatively underpowered computer (4 gb of RAM). If youre using 1Password 6, learn how to upgrade then migrate your data to a 1Password account. It'll mean I could, in theory, mostly ditch Bitwarden as that's the big use case there for me. She doesn't know how. In such a setup where the second factor is a TOTP I would count on the attacker being successful at phishing that too. Save, add to Home Screen, and youre done. I strongly dislike 1Password's UX. I've bought a lot of software and I don't mind paying for good software. Can you quantify the "needless development churn and hassle for both customers and our support team" in some way? Same story for me. Youll need to download 1Password 7 from Agilebits website, not the Mac AppStore. Log in to sites and fill forms securely with a single click. Same here. 1Password 8 is rebuilt from the ground up with an all-new design and powerful personalization. 1P7 doesn't even let you keyboard navigate to the Generate Password button for goodness sake - something that I was able to do in every version up to that point. How do I pay the standalone price? When 1Password asks if you want to add your account to the app, click Add Account. While that's true, the good thing is, that you don't really need it, the browser extension is enough. Layering on unnecessary crap just to charge a fee eventually comes home to roost. Most often it was a thank you note. I'm with you. which makes the subscription even more expensive. A new Quick Find feature makes it easier to find the usernames and passwords youre looking for, and you can now create collections that put associated accounts or vaults together in one place. But that doesnt make VS Code shit. Select the account you want to migrate to, then click Continue. They tried very hard to hide all info of a standalone existing. I'm somewhere in between. Affordability is a mirage- $5 per month and $60 per year wont break a bank but its a huge amount to justify other geographies where money transactions are NOT in $$. It's not going away any time soon, the app is still available for MacOS and the browser extensions work just fine. USD$50 for standalone isn't cheap, but considering that I've been using 1Password for ~5 years since I last paid, I think it is a fair price to pay. 1password Standalone Price will sometimes glitch and take you a long time to try different solutions. I buy three clients every upgrade windows, ios and mac. Most people here could trivially roll a prototype grade password manager in pretty limited time. i switched from lastpass to bitwarden for about a year or so and its what i recommend to most people. 97% of people chose the subscription. It's the one sub that I'm happy to pay. The hatred comes from their proliferation. You've removed features with every major release, and this is just smashing the final nail into 1Password's coffin. Choose File > Open vault on this PC to open all the standalone vaults that you want to migrate. This was some time ago so things may have changed. 1Password 8 will be subscription only and wont support local vaults, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28143563, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28104134, https://1password.com/downloads/command-line/, https://bitwarden.com/help/article/import-from-1password/, https://github.com/linuxserver/docker-swag, https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden, https://support.1password.com/add-remove-family-members/. I do not use browser plug-ins so both are kind of the same but bitwarden just wins on the little things. It's in the release notes, it was on the site, and it was in the forums. 1Password 8 for Android / Crash on long press on password. Bitwarden is $3.33/mo for equivalent functionality to the $4.99/mo plan from 1Password. Ive left 3 years of no-income life as a student, and thatll be a whooping USD$108 or SGD$150 . Saw it had Yubikey support for just $10 per year. > but the fact that they seem to have willy-nilly removed local vaults does. I recently moved from keepass (using kpcli) to bitwarden (so I can share passwords with my spouse), but am so far, very unhappy with the command line tools. edit: I misread and was looking at the business page. I've been a happy subscriber for years. Is there even a Safari integration? The loss of local vaults and subscription only now is not a welcoming feeling. Also I think the "head" of the family can reset passwords of the other accounts More pragmatically, that's a prime opportunity for some to make a nasty divorce quite a bit more nasty. I would like to purchase 1Password 7 standalone but am afraid a new version will be out about a year after purchase. Like you pointed out, I think a fee structure where you pay for major updates and otherwise pay a maintenance / hosting subscription fee makes the most sense. Same reason Lightroom can pound sand with their $120/year licensing, Im not going to keep my photo library in something that I just have to keep paying for the rest of my life. AgileBits has announced the release of 1Password 8 for Apple Watch, a natural extension to its iOS app that completes the rollout . Version 8 also promises performance improvements, but fans aren't happy that it has been completely rewritten as an Electron app, and it's now a subscription-only service, with no option to buy. Bitwarden can 1-click import 1Password vaults. How often do we have new versions of iOS or macOS? You just saved me many hours. When I'm on a Mac, I want my apps to behave like a Mac app. I'll pay them $5/mo to self-host my own passwords. Youll add your account, migrate your data into it, and then delete your old vault. For the best experience when using the 1Password SSH agent, Touch ID or Apple Watch can be configured to unlock 1Password and authenticate SSH key requests. Hey there! Not a good idea to leave your sole copy on a machine you don't have full control over. If 1Password doesn't ask you to add your account to the app, open and unlock 1Password for Mac, then choose Account > "Sign in to Account" and enter your account details. I've also had 1Password for a shared business vault for years as well. This could not be farther from the truth. Most people don't need the 'extra' functionality. Because my laptop and desktop have a strong-enough CPU and I don't mind waiting 20-or-so seconds before the first unlock, I can set quite high values for this. I would argue that in general, having a lower barrier of entry to software engineering is a good thing, especially for attracting people that might not have otherwise considered it. I can think of a TON of work without adding a single feature. I have no particular qualms with paying for software whether as a one-time purchase or a subscription. Or for a security-focused app like 1password I'd have believed something like "we don't want to be responsible for security problems if you decide not to upgrade, thus you must buy a yearly license" but that wasn't the message at all. 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